When we get to a Young Avengers project if its a movie or show, I want to see this friendship shown between Cassie and Kate.
I think so because, the chemistry with these 2 legacy characters would be really cool to see and the banter would be amazing
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kyle03052025-10-14 18:55
I had to reverse google search who that was in the bottom left. Thought you were making a joke that Cassie got recast again. Only to find it is indeed Katherine Newton. She looks insanely different
vinny4242025-10-14 20:24
Its the makeup. And her face is a little beefier(didnt want to say fatter).
Heavensrun2025-10-14 20:41
And yet you did anyway.
PoolPartyWithoutTheL2025-10-14 20:51
Seriously, what was the point in putting that part in the end lol
Sinsear9122025-10-14 19:04
We’re not getting it, I don’t think doomsday or secret wars will do what they want financially.
Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-14 19:40
maybe yes or not
Herogeen2025-10-14 19:04
If Marvel decided not to include the Young Avengers even in Doomsday and Secret Wars, then they likely won't have any future after that. The Young Avengers project will never happen because these characters aren't hyped enough and will most likely fail like the Eternals or The Marvels. Current audience is actually only interested in watching projects about A-list characters, like Spider-man or X-Men
SharpshootinTearaway2025-10-14 19:08
>Current audience is actually only interested in watching projects about A-list characters, like Spider-man or X-Men
Spider-man, 100%, he's got the benefit of being a huge fan-favorite among young children, which boosts the audience considerably, let's be honest.
Whether the audience will be there for the X-Men or not remains to be seen. The level of disinterest people had for the Fantastic Four surprised everyone.
Herogeen2025-10-14 19:23
Doomsday has a lot of hype not only because of RDJ and Evans, but also because of the X-Men, so there is a high chance that the new X-Men movie will be a big success. Many fans have been asking for years for Marvel to finally move on to the X-Men.
The Young Avengers have nothing to guarantee their success. Many fans aren't particularly interested in these characters.
SharpshootinTearaway2025-10-14 20:09
We're in fandom spaces, that's why there's hype. There was a lot of hype too for Fantastic Four: First Steps but the casual audience wasn't sold. I do see hype for the Young Avengers/Champions as well. There is always hype in echo chambers.
But, outside of those fandom spaces, not everyone has watched the X-Men movies. Hell, *I* do evolve in MCU fandom spaces and I haven't watched the Fox movies yet.
Do you really think casuals, which represent a significant part of their former audience that used to get them to reach the billion at the box office, are hyped about having to watch 13 movies in preparation to understand Doomsday?
Herogeen2025-10-14 20:34
D&W grossed over a billion at the box office, which means a lot of people watched Fox movies. That movie is impossible to understand if you don't know Fox movies, but many people knows them, and that's why it was so successful. Doomsday will be the same, but they'll also add RDJ, Evans, and probably Maguire.
I'm curious, why are you so sure Young Avengers has hype?
SharpshootinTearaway2025-10-14 20:44
A lot of people followed the Deadpool movies, which were mostly self-contained so far. They also probably watched Logan, also a beloved, but self-contained story (and even Logan only grossed 226M).
>I'm curious, why are you so sure Young Avengers has hype?
There's a post about them, or one specific member of the team, almost once a day in each Marvel subreddit and they usually spark conversation.
It's not just the Young Avengers, though, from the moment you step within a fandom, there's hype about this specific thing. Go to r/EmmaFrost and you'll find people who are hyped about any kind of project involving Emma Frost. It's just how it is.
ShadesOfTheDead2025-10-15 00:10
Actually, Logan grossed over 600 million at the Box Office. X-Men: Days of Future Past made over 700+ million.
SharpshootinTearaway2025-10-15 00:42
[I go the numbers from there.](https://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchise/fr3712454405/) But it's possible those are only the numbers of the US box office.
Fantastic Four has had three bad movies across two other continuities. It always had an uphill climb.
ubutterscotchpine2025-10-14 20:22
I disagree with what you believe the current audience is interested in watching. What the current audience is interested in, is a consistent storyline that builds to something important.
However, I will say, I was honestly excited for the Young Avengers… three years ago. Now I hope they just scrap the idea and put Kate and Kamala on Sam’s team and call it a day.
ShadesOfTheDead2025-10-15 00:07
They were building up to Thunderbolts and that didn’t do well at the Box Office. So I don’t agree with your theory.
ubutterscotchpine2025-10-15 00:13
They weren’t ’building up’ to Thunderbolts at all lol. Thunderbolts was not a main event movie.
ShadesOfTheDead2025-10-15 00:17
They were introducting members of the Thunderbolts individually in other project just like they did with the OG Avengers teams. The Thunderbolts film was suppose to be the payoff.
Practical-Debate15982025-10-15 05:41
same. i just wanna see the characters at this point
Practical-Debate15982025-10-15 05:40
this is why im saying they should be in the doomdsay or secret wars
spidervenom6192025-10-15 06:37
We are seriously fucked as a fanbase if they are only focusing on "A-List" heroes.
Prepare for nonstop films of Spider-Man, Iron Man and Captain America Steve then.
OutlandishnessOk23042025-10-14 19:12
Alas, her heart belongs to Yelena.
Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-14 19:39
yes. I love those 2 as love birds
Gambitismyheart2025-10-14 19:18
I want the original Cassie back. Bring back Emma then I can enjoy Cassie's friendship with Kate.
FX1142025-10-14 20:23
Technically the second Cassie.
Gambitismyheart2025-10-14 20:28
You obviously know what I meant.
spidervenom6192025-10-15 06:38
Still the 2nd Cassie lol, if you really wanted the Og Cassie back, you would asked for the child version of Cassie Lang from Ant-Man 1 and Ant-Man 2.
Gambitismyheart2025-10-15 06:44
Yes let me compare the little brunette girl to the much older blonde girl.🙄🤦🏽♀️.. *Clearly*I was talking about the older version Cassie that was replaced with Kathryn. Let's not act like a smart ass shall we, cuz you sound dumb.
rexepic75672025-10-14 22:40
She had 15 fucking seconds of screen time
Gambitismyheart2025-10-14 22:43
And she pulled it off. Better chemistry with Paul, too. I never cared for Katheryn and imo she was a terrible replacement for Emma.
spidervenom6192025-10-15 06:37
For 15 fucking seconds...
Gambitismyheart2025-10-15 06:39
That's what I said.
DJfunkyPuddle2025-10-15 00:39
God, the "bring back old Cassie" people are insufferable. 15 seconds, 6+years ago, let it go.
AwarenessOk77482025-10-14 19:36
Can we have a normal Cassie instead of Mary Sue?
Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-14 19:40
yes
Conscious-Weakness-42025-10-14 19:39
Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-14 19:40
She belongs to Kate. Kitten in a tree
Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-14 19:40
She belongs to Kate. Kitten in a tree
PayneTrain1819992025-10-15 02:40
Comics are comics but this friendship with Yelena has the potential to be one of the best pairings in the whole franchise and they just don’t do it!
RubiconPizzaDelivery2025-10-15 02:49
Yelena plotting how to get rid of Cassie while Ghost keeps sabotaging the plot is a funny mental image.
Minute-Necessary23932025-10-14 19:43
Same.
Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-14 19:46
definitely
Grayx_28872025-10-14 19:47
Why are you obsessed with people having sex with other characters in the MCU?
Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-14 20:05
were not, its more about friendships that we want to see onscreen
FX1142025-10-14 20:23
Where did you get sex from?
chokingonpancakes2025-10-14 20:01
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Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-14 20:05
yes
Heavensrun2025-10-14 20:40
Gonna be real, I don't think they're gonna be young enough for Young Avengers when they get around to making it.
Earth5132025-10-14 23:30
I think it's why we're hearing more and more talk of Champions more than Young Avengers but that just makes me sad because they are completely different teams with very different stories and themes.
The Young Avengers started as amateur fans that were then legitimately identified by Vision as the next Avengers team in the absence of the OGs, which to be fair is a little narratively convenient but still neat. They have a whole bunch of stories dealing with their traumas, anxiety, love life, and just generally felt more mature "teen" with meaningful topics like drug addiction (Patriot), wanting to change your legacy (Iron Lad, Kid Loki, Noh-Varr), loss (Cassie), etc.
Champions felt much younger, less mature, more playful, and the team in general is more of a chaotic mix of characters and not as carefully paired of a team. I dig them too and am especially a fan of Nova (Sam), Miles, Ms Marvel, Viv, Brawn, and even kid Cyclops. But together they seem like they just don't fit other than being a nice color splash of characters. And their forming was as a disillusionment with the regular avengers during civil war ii but since that event wasn't really appreciated anyway it kind of fell flat in my humble opinion.
All to say both are neat but they are just completely different and I'm not sure the team behind the MCU are mindful of that.
cane-of-doom2025-10-15 02:33
It's a different universe and these characters have vastly different histories. I'm okay with them combining the rosters and adapting some of the things that made both work. Almost 20 years on and people are still expecting the MCU to be a 1:1 adaptation when it's never been. They take themes and events and reshape them to make them work for this medium and the shared universe.
Earth5132025-10-15 12:08
I'm not expecting it to be a 1:1 it's more that there's adapting and completely erasing what made something memorable. They've done both:
Good adaptation: Guardians origins
Bad adaptation: (so far) wrecking crew, secret invasion, Titania, and though they were great films, Civil War and Ultron are watered down versions of the original.
I get your point and I'm all for modernization and adaptation to fit a new larger story but so far the MCU has been rushing massive stories into short action or comedic scenes in some race to push out as much content as possible which in turn has stripped away a lot of what made those stories emotionally impactful.
They seem to be aware of that because you'll notice more recently they've been working to stay closer to the comics and are creating less projects to be more focused. So to be seen what they do with all that.
Either way they won't be able to do young Avengers because they aren't quite young anymore. But maybe they'll do it anyway as a thematic title?
cane-of-doom2025-10-15 12:30
I understand what you're saying. But, as I said, the difference in medium (in comics you can have a lot more build-up, tie-ins, weekly issues...) and in history (comics have 70+ years of background and characters), is what make this difficult. See, I don't mind Civil War, Ultron or Thunderbolts\* being different from the comics counterparts – they take the themes and make a story that works for the characters and history they have. Then you also have Secret Invasion which wasn't a successful adaptation because it wasn't a successful story in and of itself.
In any case, I completely trust them to choose the appropriate plot points and themes from the comics to make a good story for the young heroes we've got in the MCU, who will probably come together as the Champions.
ShadesOfTheDead2025-10-14 23:59
I’m having doubts that it will even happen.
Flashy-Ad91292025-10-15 07:22
The Champions
XComThrowawayAcct2025-10-14 20:46
If they break up Kate and Yelena I will start an insurrection.
Seany_face2025-10-15 08:27
u/FBI
wondercube2025-10-14 21:12
Tbh I don’t have an interest in Cassie. I’d rather see her dynamic with Yelena, or Kamala.
HamSoloTheSpaceMan2025-10-15 15:23
Same
RubiconPizzaDelivery2025-10-14 21:26
Hell yeah, favorite friendship in Marvel! I'm curious to see how they handle them given Kate took on a sort of older sister vibe a bit since they were the youngest and oldest members originally.
BON3SMcCOY2025-10-14 21:29
The return of RDJ pretty much guaranteed we will not be getting a Champions or Young Avengers project
SharpshootinTearaway2025-10-14 22:54
I don't see the correlation between the two. Why would RDJ returning as Doom have any bearing on a Champions/YA project?
Delicious-Explorer582025-10-14 21:55
If Marvel ends up doing a Young Avengers movie, they’re going to have to recast it. Most of the actors are already in their 20s, and the movie/show isn’t happening for at least a few years. By that point, they’re just going to be adults. Which negates the whole point of a Young Avengers team.
They’d just be a team comprised of 30 year olds that general audiences don’t really care about.
Mizerous2025-10-15 00:23
I mean the GA doesn't care about them regardless because they have been left behind for a minute.
cane-of-doom2025-10-15 02:34
Reports say they start filming next year. Plus, it won't be YA, it'll be Champions.
Delicious-Explorer582025-10-15 02:47
Yeah, that ain’t happening
spidervenom6192025-10-15 06:39
Great thing you are working with Marvel then and you will know the future, Please tell us how "Woke' Doomsday and Secret Wars is.
Delicious-Explorer582025-10-15 10:47
What makes you think I’m anti-woke?
cane-of-doom2025-10-15 12:43
What makes you think that? We even know who the showrunner is.
Delicious-Explorer582025-10-15 15:23
Have you been paying attention?
cane-of-doom2025-10-15 18:09
Yes, and there's no other shows that could come out in 2027. The only thing we need is for someone to leak the production start date.
Delicious-Explorer582025-10-15 19:26
So far, there’s only rumors about the show.
But, Marvel had a bad year. It’s taking a big swing next year and it’s not a certain home run.
On top of that, the love action TV shows don’t perform well, cost too much, and push people away from the movies.
Meanwhile, Marvel’s animation has fared better.
I’d expect new seasons of X-Men and Spider-Man to take priority over a team of characters that general audiences have basically rejected.
cane-of-doom2025-10-15 22:07
Animation is a completely different division. They do their own thing. They've been getting rave reviews. But they're also expensive and animation will never attract as many people as live action.
On the live action side, two of their latest shows have performed better than anyone expected (Agatha and Ironheart, both of whom we could expect to see in Champions, specially Billy, who has a big fandom and would like be one of the main characters, if not \*the\* main character) and the third, which didn't perform too well, is already prepping for its third season while the second just got a release date. If anything, people have liked the shows more than the movies these past few years. They've also changed the way they produce them, more like a TV show than a movie, so the budgets will probably be reduced from what they were.
Delicious-Explorer582025-10-15 22:56
Ironheart did NOT perform well. Agatha only did ok, and that’s because of its reduced budget. There just isn’t that big of an audience for these shows.
kennyofthegulch2025-10-14 22:18
They're all gonna be in their mid-thirties by the time Young Avengers happens.
Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-14 22:38
True. I don't think it's gonna happen
Earth5132025-10-14 23:17
That's cute and all but it does not hold a candle to Kate and America C
AlchemAzoth2025-10-15 00:22
I completely forgot America. The friendship between Kate and Kamala would be hilarious imo. Given that they are such big fans of the og avengers it would be fun.
Earth5132025-10-15 12:09
I can see it! Kamala and Pete gushing over nerdy things would be hilarious too
itsbigms2025-10-14 23:28
Way better with yelena. Im sure quantumania wasn’t the actresses fault but damn it was an ass debut
NoobFreakT2025-10-15 00:44
there will not be a young avengers project
Practical-Debate15982025-10-15 05:43
throw them in doomdsay or secret wars atp
HereWeFuckingGooo2025-10-15 02:23
I'd be happy to never see Cassie again.
cane-of-doom2025-10-15 02:29
It's a show, under the title Champions, probably coming 2027, if they start filming in 2026 like the reports said a few months ago. Showrunner is Rachna Fruchbom.
Practical-Debate15982025-10-15 05:39
hoping for introduction in doomsday or secret wars
cane-of-doom2025-10-15 12:33
Ngl, if the alleged Vision Quest ending is true, and maybe they get introduced in Doomsday as a team, I could see the Champions show being some sort of spiritual adaptation of Children's Crusade that sets up Secret Wars in some regards.
RubiconPizzaDelivery2025-10-15 12:40
Crusade swapping Scott's death in for Cassie is essentially what I expect, loosely adapted.
Practical-Debate15982025-10-15 16:41
Man I hope so!
Practical-Debate15982025-10-15 05:38
ya IF this EVER happens lol
missed opportunity in quantumania.
LeggoMahLegolas2025-10-15 05:54
"Young" Avengers.
They're gonna be regular Avengers by the time Young Avengers movie gets announced.
WannabeWonk2025-10-15 20:06
This gets brought up every time Young Avengers are mentioned but it's wild to be that Hailee Steinfeld is 28 and Scarlett Johansson was 25 when they filmed _Iron Man 2_. Full on Avenger in _Avengers_ at 27.
spiderknight6162025-10-15 20:55
They should just call them Champions. End of discussion
IndependentBit97452025-10-16 00:01
The Young-Looking Avengers
UsernameFor20162025-10-15 09:08
Is that an AI comic or did Cassie get her face rearranged by some villain? Insane if someone can get paid with those drawing skills.
Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-15 09:17
Comic
RubiconPizzaDelivery2025-10-15 11:56
Nick Spencer's Astonishing Ant-Man #6, specifically.
Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-15 12:24
Yes
Gwoardinn2025-10-15 10:21
Its weird how much they setup YA in phase 4-5 but never actually followed up with it in any meaninful way.
MacbookPrime2025-10-15 11:19
The Damn-Near-30 Avengers
apneax3n0n2025-10-15 11:53
They are roommates
ddanuu2025-10-15 12:07
Cassidy was annoying as shit in the movie. If they do her character better or rework it like with Captain Marvel then sure. But I prefer Yelana, for both chemistry and banter and because it mirrors Nat and Clint
BreezyIsBeafy2025-10-15 17:28
Young avengers still hasn’t been announced however and most of the people are gonna be well into their thirties by the time anything actually would come out so
Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-15 17:33
True, well have to see
The_Ghost_99602025-10-15 19:57
I want Kate and Peter. Idc, I just want them to interact and take out some bad guys together
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Spider-man, 100%, he's got the benefit of being a huge fan-favorite among young children, which boosts the audience considerably, let's be honest.
Whether the audience will be there for the X-Men or not remains to be seen. The level of disinterest people had for the Fantastic Four surprised everyone.
The Young Avengers have nothing to guarantee their success. Many fans aren't particularly interested in these characters.
But, outside of those fandom spaces, not everyone has watched the X-Men movies. Hell, *I* do evolve in MCU fandom spaces and I haven't watched the Fox movies yet.
Do you really think casuals, which represent a significant part of their former audience that used to get them to reach the billion at the box office, are hyped about having to watch 13 movies in preparation to understand Doomsday?
I'm curious, why are you so sure Young Avengers has hype?
>I'm curious, why are you so sure Young Avengers has hype?
There's a post about them, or one specific member of the team, almost once a day in each Marvel subreddit and they usually spark conversation.
It's not just the Young Avengers, though, from the moment you step within a fandom, there's hype about this specific thing. Go to r/EmmaFrost and you'll find people who are hyped about any kind of project involving Emma Frost. It's just how it is.
[https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl1400538625/?ref\_=bo\_fr\_table\_4](https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl1400538625/?ref_=bo_fr_table_4)
[https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl3229320705/?ref\_=bo\_fr\_table\_5](https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl3229320705/?ref_=bo_fr_table_5)
However, I will say, I was honestly excited for the Young Avengers… three years ago. Now I hope they just scrap the idea and put Kate and Kamala on Sam’s team and call it a day.
Prepare for nonstop films of Spider-Man, Iron Man and Captain America Steve then.
The Young Avengers started as amateur fans that were then legitimately identified by Vision as the next Avengers team in the absence of the OGs, which to be fair is a little narratively convenient but still neat. They have a whole bunch of stories dealing with their traumas, anxiety, love life, and just generally felt more mature "teen" with meaningful topics like drug addiction (Patriot), wanting to change your legacy (Iron Lad, Kid Loki, Noh-Varr), loss (Cassie), etc.
Champions felt much younger, less mature, more playful, and the team in general is more of a chaotic mix of characters and not as carefully paired of a team. I dig them too and am especially a fan of Nova (Sam), Miles, Ms Marvel, Viv, Brawn, and even kid Cyclops. But together they seem like they just don't fit other than being a nice color splash of characters. And their forming was as a disillusionment with the regular avengers during civil war ii but since that event wasn't really appreciated anyway it kind of fell flat in my humble opinion.
All to say both are neat but they are just completely different and I'm not sure the team behind the MCU are mindful of that.
Good adaptation: Guardians origins
Bad adaptation: (so far) wrecking crew, secret invasion, Titania, and though they were great films, Civil War and Ultron are watered down versions of the original.
I get your point and I'm all for modernization and adaptation to fit a new larger story but so far the MCU has been rushing massive stories into short action or comedic scenes in some race to push out as much content as possible which in turn has stripped away a lot of what made those stories emotionally impactful.
They seem to be aware of that because you'll notice more recently they've been working to stay closer to the comics and are creating less projects to be more focused. So to be seen what they do with all that.
Either way they won't be able to do young Avengers because they aren't quite young anymore. But maybe they'll do it anyway as a thematic title?
In any case, I completely trust them to choose the appropriate plot points and themes from the comics to make a good story for the young heroes we've got in the MCU, who will probably come together as the Champions.
They’d just be a team comprised of 30 year olds that general audiences don’t really care about.
But, Marvel had a bad year. It’s taking a big swing next year and it’s not a certain home run.
On top of that, the love action TV shows don’t perform well, cost too much, and push people away from the movies.
Meanwhile, Marvel’s animation has fared better.
I’d expect new seasons of X-Men and Spider-Man to take priority over a team of characters that general audiences have basically rejected.
On the live action side, two of their latest shows have performed better than anyone expected (Agatha and Ironheart, both of whom we could expect to see in Champions, specially Billy, who has a big fandom and would like be one of the main characters, if not \*the\* main character) and the third, which didn't perform too well, is already prepping for its third season while the second just got a release date. If anything, people have liked the shows more than the movies these past few years. They've also changed the way they produce them, more like a TV show than a movie, so the budgets will probably be reduced from what they were.
missed opportunity in quantumania.
They're gonna be regular Avengers by the time Young Avengers movie gets announced.